JAMES JORDEN [Jordan], called as a witness for and on behalf of Plaintiff, was sworn and testified as follows:
BY MR. OWEN:
Q Would you state your name please?
A James Jorden.
Q How old are you?
A Forty-one.
Q In 1964 where did you live?
A Here in Meridian.
Q Would you keep your voice up now so that everyone can hear you?
A Here in Meridian.
Q How long had you lived here in Meridian?
A Approximately two years.
Q What kind of work did you do when you lived her?
A I worked at a service station for some time, I ran a restaurant here and worked at Akin Mobile Home.
Q Now, while you lived here in Meridian, were you ever a member of the White Knights of the Ku Klux Klan?
A Yes sir, I was.
Q Do you remember about when you joined?
A No sir, not exactly it was in '64.
Q What were the circumstances under which you joined?
A I was approached and asked to join, there were recruiting members to save integration, to save the schools and to protect the white families.
Q Who asked you to join?
A I was first approached by Frank Herndon.
Q And did anybody approach you about it?
A Wallace Miller did after that.
Q Did anybody else approach you?
A No sir, I decided to join.
Q Now, when you joined, just tell the Court and Jury what the circumstances were?
A Well, I was to be given an oath and we drove back to the service station where I was working at the time and at that time I met Reverend Killen from Philadelphia. He and Wallace Miller and Frank Herndon took me up there and swore me in.
Q Now, look around you, all around this room and see if you can identify any of the people that were present when you were sworn in?
A Frank Herndon.
Q Frank Herndon is which one. Describe what he's wearing?
A Pajamas and bathrobe.
Q Anyone else?
A No sir.
Q You don't see anyone else. Now, what happened when you were up there, when you were sworn in?
A I was told that I was joining, that this oath was to uphold the integration of schools, to keep the colored separated from the white and I was a member of the Klan.
Q Now, did you, uh, were you given a Klan number?
A Yes sir.
Q What number were you?
A Number three.
Q Now, did you attend the Klan meetings fairly regularly after you joined the White Knights?
A Yes sir.
Q Now, do you recall what you did on June 21, 1964?
A Yes sir.
Q Where were you that afternoon?
A I went to the Longhorn drive-inn to pick up my wife who was working there at the time.
Q About what time did you go there?
A Just before six o'clock.
Q Now, did anyone, uhh, who was there when you were there?
A Well, there were a lot of people there I didn't know.
Q Were any of the defendants there?
A Yes sir. Frank Herndon operated the place at the time.
Q And were any of the others?
A Pete Harris was there.
Q Can you identify Pete Harris?
A Yes sir, he's sitting right there.
Q Can you describe him, count down from the right?
A He's number five.
Q The fifth man from the right?
A Right.
Q Now, did any of these other defendants come to the Longhorn that evening?
A Yes.
Q Who?
A Preacher Killen and two young men.
Q Can you identify Preacher Killen?
A Yes sir, he's sitting next to Pete.
Q Is he the one with the glasses on?
A Yes sir.
Q Now, two young men?
A Yes sir.
Q Now, can you identify those two young men?
A This young man right there was one of them.
Q Which man is he from the left?
A The second man.
Q Who was driving the car he came in?
A He was.
Q The young man you pointed to over there?
A Yes.
BY THE COURT:
Do you know the young man's name that you pointed to?
BY THE WITNESS:
I believe it was Sharpe, I found out later.
BY THE COURT:
Do you know the defendants in this case?
BY THE WITNESS:
Yes sir.
BY THE COURT:
All of them?
BY THE WITNESS:
Yes sir.
BY THE COURT:
Do you know them by name?
BY THE WITNESS:
Yes sir.
BY MR. OWEN:
Q Did you know this man by name at the time?
A No sir.
Q Now, what if anything did Preacher Killen do?
A Well, he went in and talked to Frank Herndon first then he came back out and said he had a job he needed some help on over in Neshoba County and he needed some men to go with him.
Q Did he say what kind of job it was?
A He said that two or three of those civil rights workers were locked up and they needed their rear ends tore up.
Q Did he tell you who locked them up?
A Yes sir, he said the Sheriff's Deputy locked them up.
Q And did he indicate to you who any of these people were that were locked up?
A Just one, Whiskers, Goatee, he had several names for him.
Q Who was that?
A Schwerner, I believe was his name.
Q Now, had you ever seen Schwerner?
A Yes sir, one time.
Q Before this date?
A One time.
Q Who was with you when you saw him?
A Frank Herndon.
Q And Frank Herndon is the man you have identified?
A Yes sir.
Q Where did you see him?
A Down in the colored section of town in Meridian.
Q What was the occasion, why did you see him?
A So I would know him if I ever saw him again. He said he was down there and we drove along in front of this restaurant and he told me he wanted me to get a look at him.
Q Who said this?
A Frank Herndon.
Q Did he say anything when you saw him?
A No sir. . . .
Q Now, did you go over to the Longhorn, I mean Akin's place?
A Yes sir, we did.
Q How did you go?
A We went in different cars. I went in the car with the boys over there that came down.
BY MR. HENDRICKS:
We object Your Honor, unless he's more specific about those boys.
BY MR. OWEN:
Q What boys are you talking about?
BY THE COURT:
Speak in the microphone, I didn't get your objection Counsel.
BY MR. HENDRICKS:
He didn't name who he went with, Your Honor.
BY THE COURT:
Yes, ask him that question again, so he can be specific.
BY MR. OWEN:
Q Whose car did you go in?
A I don't remember is I went in Pet Harris' car or in the car that came from Philadelphia with Preacher Killen and Sharpe.
Q Now, after you got over to Akins place, what did you do?
A Well several more calls were made and at that time they said they had two or three men on the way, and asked me if I knew a couple that we might get, that we needed about six or seven men.
Q And who asked you that?
A Reverend Killen.
Q And what did you do?
A I told him I would go and try to find a couple of men that I knew didn't have telephones.
Q And who did you try to find?
A I went over to Wayne Roberts' home.
Q Can you identify Wayne Roberts?
A Yes sir, he's the first man on the first row.
Q Now, did you go there directly from Akins place?
A No sir, we needed some gloves and I asked to stop by and see if I could find any gloves, any rubber gloves, which I couldn't at the time. We stopped at Warren's Grocery Store on the way to Wayne's house.
Q Who asked you to do that, if you recall?
A Reverend Killen.
Q Now, did you see Wayne at his house?
A Yes sir.
Q And what did you do?
A I asked him if he could go, that they needed some help on a case in Neshoba County, and that Reverend Killen was down and could he get away to go?
Q What did he say?
A Yes he would.
Q Then what did he do?
A We came back to Akins Mobile Home?
Q And do you remember whose car you went over in to pick up Wayne Roberts?
A It was Sharpe's car I presume.
Q He was driving?
A Yes sir.
Q And when you got back to Akins who was there?
A Mr. Akins was there, Pete Harris was, myself, Wayne at that time, then he said there were some more boys on their way which they arrived in just a few minutes.
Q Who else came?
A Travis and Doyle Barnett. . . .
Q They came over?
A Yes sir.
Q Whose car did they come in?
A They came in Doyle's car.
Q Did anyone else come over?
A Jimmy Snowden came over with another man.
Q Did anyone else come over?
A Jimmy Arledge, I met at that time, I didn't know him before.
Q Can you identify those for us?
A Jimmy Arledge is the fourth man, and Jimmy Snowden is the last man on the front row.
Q Back over here?
A Yes sir.
Q Now, was Killen still there?
A Yes sir.
Q Now, what conversation was there had after all those people arrived?
A Well at that time Reverend Killen said they had three of the Civil Rights Workers locked up and we had to hurry and get there and we were to pick them up and tear their butts up.
Q Now, did he indicate to you how they were to be stopped?
A He said that a Highway Patrol car would stop them on the outskirts of town.
Q Now, what did you do at Akins Mobil Home after you came back from getting the gloves?
A We gassed up the cars which were Sharpe's and Doyle.
Q Now, did, uhh, was there any conversation about which of this group or wouldn't go?
A Well Pete Harris was not supposed to go, and Mr. Akins couldn't go because he had work to do.
Q Now, what if anything did Preacher Killen say about the time you got ready to leave?
A He said he would go ahead as he had to get on back there as fast as he could and make the arrangements, there were several cars were coming in and these guys couldn't be held much longer.
Q And what did he do?
A He left.
Q Who left with him?
A Sharpe and Wayne Roberts.
Q Then what did you do?
A I left with Doyle and Travis, Jimmy Arledge and Jimmy Snowden.
Q Was there any indication at Akins as to where you should go?
A We were told that as soon as we got to Philadelphia to park on the far side of the courthouse and we would be told where to go and what to do. . . .
Q Who told you that?
A Reverend Killen.
Q Did you go to Philadelphia?
A Yes sir.
Q And where did you go?
A Went to the far side of the court house.
Q Now, who did you see there?
A Saw Mr. Barnett standing out beside his pickup truck.
Q Can you identify Mr. Barnett?
A Yes sir. Sitting right behind me.
Q Now, how far is he from the man in the bathrobe?
A Third man over.
Q Third man. Are you counting the woman?
A No sir.
BY THE COURT:
Do you know this gentleman's name that you are identifying?
BY THE WITNESS:
Yes sir, he used to be Sheriff over there. I had met him before.
BY THE COURT:
I asked you what his name was.
BY THE WITNESS:
Barnett.
BY THE COURT:
Is that all you know about him?
BY THE WITNESS:
His nickname, Hop Barnett.
BY THE COURT:
All right. Go along.
BY MR. OWENS:
Q What did he do or say?
A He told us to wait right there, that he had to leave and he got in his truck and left, said somebody would be, would come tell us what to do.
Q Then what happened?
A Reverend Killen came from around the corner, told us that he would take use by and show us the jail and then we would be told where to wait until they were released.
Q And where did you go then?
A He got in the car and we drove around the corner by the jail and then he took us to the spot we were supposed to wait behind an old warehouse right at the edge of town.
Q And where did he go?
A Reverend Killen?
Q Yes.
A We took him back to a funeral home there in Philadelphia.
Q Why did you take him to a funeral home?
A He said that he had to go there because if anything happened he would be the first one questioned.
Q Just tell the Court and Jury what you did after you left Preacher Killen off.
A We left him off at the spot where we were told to wait, that we would be told when and where to leave town, and we were to follow that they would not be stopped.
Q Now, who was in your car?
A It was Doyle, Travis, Jimmy Snowden and myself.
Q Now, just go right ahead.
A We sat there approximately teen or fifteen minutes. About that time a City Police car came up and said, "they're going on Highway 19 toward Meridian, follow them."
Q And who was in that lead car?
A I didn't know the man at the time.
Q Was he a policeman or was he someone else?
A I presume he was he had on a uniform. . . .
Q Then what happened?
A He turned around and went on back toward town, we turned and went toward highway 19.
BY THE COURT:
Do you know who the policeman was?
BY THE WITNESS:
No sir, at that time I did not.
BY THE COURT:
I didn't ask you when you knew, I asked you if you knew who the policeman was?
BY THE WITNESS:
No sir.
BY THE COURT:
You don't know now?
BY THE WITNESS:
A No sir, I've been shown pictures of him.
BY THE COURT:
Do you see him in the courtroom?
BY THE WITNESS:
No sir, I don't think I do.
BY THE COURT:
All right, go along.
BY THE MR. OWEN:
Q Then what did you do?
A We left and drove our highway 19 back toward Meridian. At that time there was a red car ahead of us and that's what we did, a red Chevrolet. There was some more men in it.
Q Where did you go?
A We came back out to the outskirts of Philadelphia. The red car pulled over beside a Highway Patrol car and we pulled up behind it.
Q And what happened then?
A The man driving the red car got out and said something to the Patrol car and he walked back to our car and said, "never mind, they will stopped by the Deputy Sheriff, these men are not going to stop them."
BY MR. OWENS:
Q Can you identify the man?
BY THE COURT:
Just a minute Counsel. I'll overrule the objection.
BY MR. OWEN:
Q Can you identify the man that got out of the red car?
BY THE COURT:
Just a minute Counsel. I'll overrule the objection.
BY MR. OWEN:
Q Can you identify the man that got out of the red car?
A Yes sir.
Q Who was he?
A Posey. Sitting right next to Reverend Killen.
Q How many men from the right?
BY THE COURT:
What was his name?
BY THE WITNESS:
Seven.
BY MR. OWEN:
Q The Court asked you what his name was?
A Posey.
Q Who else was in that car?
A There was Sharpe, another young man and Wayne Roberts.
Q Then what happened?
A About that time the Deputy's car came by, said something to the man in the red car, and the Deputy's car, and we took off to follow them.
Q What deputy are you talking about?
A Cecil Price.
Q Can you identify him?
A Yes sir, the gentleman sitting right there.
Q How many from the left?
A Four, no, five.
Q Now, just tell the Court and Jury what happened after you took off?
A Well, we were following the red car as we were told to do, we got on down the highways a good ways, the car broke down. Evidently it broke down, it stopped beside the road. We stopped behind it. Posey told us to come on and go ahead that it would be stopped anyway by the Sheriff, the Deputy Sheriff, and we were to follow them. He got in the car with us and left this young man there to try and fix his car.
Q Then what did you do?
A We went on back toward Meridian from Philadelphia to a cut-off highway, I don't know which number it is, toward Union, and we were traveling at a pretty high rate of speed and about that time we caught the tail end of the Deputy's car ahead of us.
Q Then what did you see?
A We saw a little wagon in front of him which he had pulled over to the side of the road.
Q What kind of wagon?
A I don't know sir, I didn't get that close to him at that time.
Q How did he pull it over?
A He turned on his red light.
Q Then what happened?
A We pulled up behind him, he got out and went up and told the three men that were in the car to get out.
Q And did they get out?
A Yes sir, they got out and he told them to get in his car.
Q Now, who told them that?
A The Deputy Sheriff. They got in the back of his car and Posey told Arledge to get in their car and follow them and we turned and went back.
Q And did you see anything happen when these three boys got in this car?
A They got in the car?
Q What, if anything, did you see or hear when they got in?
A Well I heard a thump like the Deputy was rushing them up to get in there or where he hit one of them or the car or what, but I did hear a thump.
Q And were these people who got in the car, were they white people or negroes?
A Two white men, one negro.
Q Then what did you do?
A Turned the cars around come back toward highway 19.
Q Then where did you go?
A Turned left on highway 19 all the way to, oh about 34 miles to this other cut-off road which wasn't a paved highway and then they said somebody had better stay here and watch in case anything happens, 'til the other car comes.
Q How about the people, uhh, did you pass the red car going?
A Yes sir.
Q You were going toward Philadelphia?
A Yes sir.
Q And was anyone in the red car when you passed it?
A This young man and Sharpe were still there.
Q Now, did any of these people, uhh did they both stay there?
A No sir, Sharpe got in the, I believe he got in the wagon or the other car that was ahead of us, I don't know where he got in the police car or not.
Q Then you drove toward Philadelphia?
A Yes sir.
Q Which way did you turn off?
A We turned left off the highway.
Q On to what kind of road?
A Just a graded clay road. I got out of the car to watch and see if anything was happening, and the other cars proceeded on up the road.
Q Will you tell the Court and Jury what you heard and what you did?
A Well, I hear a car door slamming, and some loud talking, I couldn't understand or distinguish anybody's voice or anything, and then I heard several shots.
Q Then what did you do?
A Walked up the road toward where the noise came from.
Q And what did you see when you walked up the road?
A Just a bunch of men milling and standing around that had been in the two cars ahead of us and someone said, "better pick up these shells." I hollered, "what do you want me to do?"
Q Then what did you do?
A Then ---
Q Excuse me, did you see these three boys?
A Yes sir, beside the road.
Q How were they?
A They were lying down.
Q Were they dead?
A I presume so, yes sir.
BY MR. HENDRICKS:
We object to what he presumes.
BY THE COURT:
Sustained.
BY MR. OWEN:
Q What did you do then?
A We put them through the back window of the truck lid of their wagon.
Q Is that the station wagon?
A Yes sir. At that time the Highway Deputy, or the Deputy Sheriff's car turned around and went back toward Highway 19, Posey said, "just follow me, I know where we're going."
Q So what did you do?
A Got back in all the cars, Posey and some of the boys were in the wagon, got back in the cars to follow Posey 'cause he said he knew where we were going.
Q At the time you left, who was up there at that spot?
A We were all up there.
Q Who are we?
A Travis and Doyle Barnett, Jimmy Snowden, Arledge, Sharpe, Posey.
Q How about the Sheriff?
A The Deputy Sheriff was there. . . .
Q And after you got these boys loaded up where did you go?
A I don't know sir. We went the same road we were on, we kept on veering back toward Philadelphia. I thought on the road we were on at the time, come to the edge of Philadelphia, turned back to the left out of town until we came to the edge where the lights were and then down several more dirt roads.
Then I found out later to the dam site, I found out later, I did not know at the time where it was. I thought it was construction. We went through a barbwire fence and was there.
Q And what did you do then?
A Opened the back of the station wagon, took the boys out and took them down in this hollow.
Q Was there any equipment there?
A Two bulldozers.
Q Then what happened?
A Posey told us to go back up the road and listen out that the operator was not there yet so Jim Snowden and I walked back up the road to wait.
Q Then what happened.
A Then at that time we thought we heard something coming through the woods but it was nothing but a cow and about that time he said Doyle and Raymond Sharpe were going to find the bulldozer operator because he wasn't there when we got there so they left to go and get him.
Q Then what happened?
A Well they came back in a different way they did not come back in by us at that time and we heard someone whistle across the way and Snowden said, "I'll go see who it is" and he walked down the road just a little ways, came back and said it must be the operator and about that time we heard the bulldozer crank up.
Q And how long did it operate.
A I don't know, twenty minutes, at that time I wasn't counting the time.
Q And what did you do then?
A We got back in the car and then we were going to put the license plate back on it which had been taken off of Doyle Barnett's car.
Q Did you have any conversation with Posey at that sight?
BY MR. ALFORD:
We object to his leading and suggesting.
BY THE COURT:
Overruled.
BY THE WITNESS:
A Posey told us we could go back to this place and put the license plate back on the car and Sharpe knew the was to come round the road and that he would wait there and take the operator back.
Q Then what if anything did he indicate about the station wagon?
A He said the station wagon, don't worry about it it would be taken to Alabama and be burned.
Q By whom?
A He said by the operator.
Q Did he indicate to you the name of the operator?
A He said, "Herman will take it to Alabama" is all I know.
Q Then where did you go?
A We went back to a warehouse and office building and gas pump on the outside of Philadelphia.
Q And who did you see there?
A Well it was Travis and Doyle and I, Wayne and some other man that I had never seen before, as well as Posey and Sharpe.
Q Can you identify the man that you had never seen before?
A I couldn't at that time, but since that time I've seen his picture.
Q Is he in this courtroom?
A The gentleman sitting right next to Mr. Price.
Q Which side of Mr. Price?
A Mr. Price's left.
Q Was he up there?
A Yes sir.
Q What did you do then?
A We got out of the cars, Doyle put the license plate back on his car at that time, they handed me all the gloves, told me to get rid of them when we got back to town or on the way and I said I'll take care of them.
Q Now, where did you go at that town?
A We came back toward of Philadelphia and right in the main section of town right to the outskirts by a big brown grocery store we pulled into a parking lot behind Sharpe's lot.
Q And who did you see at that time, if anybody?
A There was a police car sitting there with two other men sitting that I don't know at that time who they were.
Q You don't know any of the men in the police car?
A I knew the Deputy Sheriff sitting on the opposite side of the car.
BY THE COURT:
I didn't understand the witness identification of the man sitting left to Deputy Price?
BY THE WITNESS:
He was the same City Policeman that pulled up and told us which way he was headed out, Your Honor.
BY THE COURT:
What was his name?
BY THE WITNESS:
I didn't know his name at that time.
BY THE COURT:
Do you know it now?
BY THE WITNESS:
I've been told what his name was.
BY THE COURT:
What is it?
BY MR. HENDRICKS:
We object to what he's been told.
BY THE COURT:
I ask you what is his name now?
BY THE WITNESS:
Willis.
BY MR. OWEN:
Q Who are you pointing to now, who are you talking to now?
A The policeman sitting next to the Deputy right here.
Q Which side of Price?
A The Deputy is sitting right there.
Q Oh. Can you identify the City Policeman?
A It looks like the gentleman sitting right next to the Deputy.
BY MR. HENDRICKS:
We object to what he looks like.
BY THE COURT:
Yes, I sustain the objection.
BY MR. OWEN:
Q Then what happened after you got to this parking lot?
A We stopped there, Posey got out and talked to the men in the car then he came back and told us to go on home that everything would be taken care of.
Q Then where did you go?
A We came back toward Meridian.
Q And do you remember about what time you left the City of Philadelphia?
A A quarter of twelve.
Q And what did you do after you got back to Meridian?
A I went home.
Q Do you remember about what time you arrived in Meridian?
A Close to one o'clock, yes sir.
Q Now, do you know Sam Bowers?
A Yes sir.
Q Can you identify him in the courtroom?.
A Sitting right behind, next to the lady nurse.
Q Now had you seen him prior to this that happened?
BY MR. BUCKLEY:
We object, Your Honor, after this happened, this is immaterial to this case?
BY THE COURT:
Overruled.
BY THE WITNESS:
Yes sir I saw him before.
Q And what were he circumstances under which you met him?
A I first met him at a meeting somewhere on the outside of Raleigh, Mississippi.
Q Did you see him at any time other than that?
A Yes sir, we went down to Laurel to see him one time, there was some discrepancy about some finances in our Klan.
BY THE COURT:
I think he ought to give us some time or some place to see if it has any relationship with this case so let your questions be accordingly.
BY MR. OWEN:
Q This particular time that you saw him where was he?
A At a church somewhere out near Raleigh, I don't know the route.
Q Now, subsequent to that time where had you seen him?
A We went to Laurel, Mississippi and went to a restaurant and he was called and we went to a restaurant and he was called and we went on the outskirts of town and sat there and talked.
Q Who was with you?
A Well there was Pete Harris, Mr. Akins' son.
Q Do you remember when that was?
A It was about May of that year. . . .
Q On that occasion what if anything did this man say about Schwerner?
A He said he was a thorn in the side of everyone living, especially white people and that he should be taken care of.
Q Now, after the 21st of June, 1964, did you have an occasion to see this man again?
A Yes sir.
Q When did you see him?
A It was about a month after all of this had happened we saw him in Laurel again.
Q Do you remember who went with you?
A Pete and uhh, Harris, Pete Harris and I.
Q Was there any conversation at that time about what happened?
A Sam said the best thing to do was not to talk about it, that everything was well done, it was a job to be proud of, if there were any instruments involved they should be gotten rid of.
BY THE COURT:
Let me ask you this. You say you picked up some cartridges at the scene of this dam where there were, uh, was some shooting?
BY THE WITNESS:
No sir, I heard someone say "let's get up all of the cartridges" as I walked up.
BY THE COURT:
Were the cartridges got up?
BY THE WITNESS:
I don't know.
BY THE COURT:
How many shots did you hear?
BY THE WITNESS:
About four.
BY MR. OWEN:
Q Now, were any of these people or how many of these people were armed if any? On June 21, 1964.
A I think we all were.
BY THE COURT:
Let me ask you this, you say you heard four shots. Do you know what these shots were directed at or to?
BY THE WITNESS:
No sir.
BY THE COURT:
Do you know where either one of these individuals that you had taken out of that truck was hit by those shots?
BY THE WITNESS:
I don't know if they were hit by those shots, I understand though they were shot.
BY MR. WEIR:
We object to that Your Honor, what he understands.
BY THE COURT:
Yes, I sustain the objection. I want you to understand this is real important. Do you know whether or not that either one of these boys, Schwerner, Goodman and Chaney were living at the time of these shots.
BY THE WITNESS:
I don't know sir.
BY MR. OWEN:
Q When had you last seen them?
A When had I last saw them? When they were put in the Deputy Sheriff's car on that highway going to Union.
Q And how long before you heard those shots yourself?
A Well driving back on highway 19 up there was approximately thirty minutes, twenty minutes.
Q And were they living at the last time you last saw them?
A When they were put in the Deputy Sheriff's car.
BY THE COURT:
Was that the last time you saw them?
BY THE WITNESS:
Til' I got up there where their bodies were, sir.
BY THE COURT:
That wasn't what Counsel asked you and what I asked you. Do you know whether they were living or dead when you saw them last?
BY THE WITNESS:
They were living when they got in his car ---
BY THE COURT:
I didn't ask you that either. I said were those boys, Schwerner, Goodman and Chaney living the last time you saw them?
BY THE WITNESS:
Yes sir.
BY THE COURT:
They were?
BY THE WITNESS:
Yes sir.
BY MR. OWEN:
Q When was the last time you saw these three individuals?
A When we got to this dam site.
Q Now, at that time were they living?
A No sir. I don't believe, I'm not a doctor but they weren't checked to be.
Q But this was the same three boys that you had seen?
BY MR. ALFORD:
We object to his leading.
BY THE COURT:
Yes, I sustain the objection.
BY MR. ALFORD:
And we would move the Court to instruct the jury to disregard the answer.
BY THE COURT:
Yes, don't consider his answer. You tell Counsel one thing and tell me something else. Go along. . . .
BY MR. OWEN:
Q Now, when Price put these boys in his car, just describe the direction that you took?
A We turned right around ---
BY MR. ALFORD:
Your Honor please, we object. This is repetitious.
BY THE COURT:
I'll let him go along.
BY THE WITNESS:
We turned down the highway and came back to highway 19.
BY MR. OWEN:
Q Then which way did you go?
A We turned left on highway 19.
Q And then which way did you turn the left time that you turned?
A To the left again.
Q Is that the place where you loaded these bodies?
A Yes sir.
Q Now, in connection with the information that you told the F.B.I. did you give this information to the F.B.I.?
A Yes sir.
Q Now, did you give this information, uhh, did you receive money from the F.B.I.?
A Yes sir, I was told that they would help me. I told them when they first came, I told them if I tell you anything now when I was first approached on this, they came to the job several times and everything else, they knew all about the case, it was just a matter of tying it up---
BY MR. PIGFORD:
If the Court please, we object to any conversation between this man and the F.B.I. Agent, it would be an impossibility to cross examine him.
BY THE COURT:
I don't understand him to be narrating a conversation go along.
BY MR. OWEN:
Go ahead.
Q Yes sir, they told me they would help me get out of town, I told them I didn't have anything, I had lost my job---
BY MR. ALFORD:
We object, Your Honor, this is hearsay.
BY THE COURT:
I don't think that's hearsay, he's telling what the officers promised him.
BY MR. OWN:
Q Go ahead.
A They would help me get out of town which they did.
Q Do you know how much money they paid you?
A At that time?
Q Yes.
A Approximately three thousand dollars.
Q And what did you do with that money?
A I bought a car so I could leave town and made arrangements to rent a trailer and take my family away from Mississippi.
Q And did you do that?
A Yes sir.
Q And subsequent to that time, did you receive any money from the F.B.I.?
A They told me they would help me and see that I didn't starve 'til I was situated and got a job and after the publicity of all of this died down.
Q And about how long was it before you were able to get a permanent job?
A A year.
Q And during that year, if you recall, about how much money did they furnish you?
A A hundred dollars a month. Per week, I'm sorry.
Q A week?
A Yes sir.
Q And after you got a permanent job about how much money did they furnish you?
A After I went to work, $55.00 a week, then they give me $25.00 a week for just a while and they said they would then give me just a hundred dollars a month to bring my salary up to a living scale.
Q Now, where were you working at the time you gave the F.B.I. the information?
A In the NASA Missile Base out of Picayune.
Q And how much were you making at that time?
A $175 a week was about what I was taking.
Q That's all, Your Honor.