(Witness for the Prosecution)

Freeman was known by the prosecutor to have committed perjury in three prior cases.

Direct-examination by Prosecutor Rael Rubin:

"....'Mr. Freeman, have you been convicted of any felonies?"
"'Yes, I have."
"'How many?"
"'Five felonies...."
'" Are you on parole?"
"'Yes, I am."
"'Were you recently arrested?"
"'Yes, I was."
"'When?"
"'November 10, 1987....."
"'Have any promises been made to you in order to get you to testify in this case?"
"'No promises whatever...."
"'Did Ray [Buckey] tell you [while Buckey was in jail with Freeman] he left town?"
"'Yes he did."
"'Why?"
"'He said he was told to leave town and took the pictures and films to South Dakota. He was told to burn them but he buried them."
"Did Ray Buckey say that molestations actually occurred in the preschool?"
"Yes, he did."
"When?"
"At naptime."
"Did he tell you he used anything to help him molest children?"
"Yes, he did."
"What did he use to help him molest children?"
"KY and baby oil...."
"You told Ray Buckey you had molested children in order to make him comfortable. Why is it you wanted to make him comfortable?"
"I was curious. . . . I have kids...."
"What did he tell you?"
"He said he fucked a two-year-old boy in the butt. . . ."
"Did Ray Buckey tell you he took pictures to South Dakota?"
"Yes, he did."
"Did he tell you what was on the pictures and films?"
"Kids in sex acts."
"Did he tell you what was done with any other pictures?"
"Yes, he did. He said some of them were in Denmark."
"Did you talk to Ray Buckey about church?"
"Yes, he did. He said he belonged to a church I couldn't get into-like a cult."
"Did Ray Buckey say anything about hurting animals?"
"Yes, he did."
"What did he say?"
"If the kids told on him. . . . He slaughtered a cow at a ranch. "
"Were there kids present?"
"Yes, there were."
"How did you get to know Sgt. Dvorak?"
"I met him in 1983."
"Was this in another case?"
"Yes, it was."
"Did he help you out on your case?"
"Yes, he did. . . . He went and talked to the judge in San Fernando and instead of three years in prison I got one year in county jail."
"On March 28, did a sheriff come and take you to see an attorney?
"Yes, he did."
"When you got to the attorney room did you see any person you see here today?"
"Yes, I did."
"Who did you see?"
"Danny Davis and Ray Buckey."
"And what was said?"
"He said the Aryan Brotherhood want my ass and two Mexicans in San Fernando and the BGF in Soledad wanted to get me and he said he would put me on TV and the newspapers where everybody could see what I look like. He told me to get my ass out of Ray Buckey's room. He said there would be two men waiting for me on the day of my release."
"Did you tell Sgt. Dvorak about your meeting with Mr. Davis?"
"Yes, I did."
"Did he look at your notes?"
"Yes, he did. . . . He said he couldn't read 'em...."
"Did someone suggest that you move out of LA.?"
"Yes, they did."
"And did anyone give you assistance?"
"Yes, they did. Mr. Gil Brunetti of the D.A.'s office paid the first month's rent, approximately one thousand dollars."
"Did you contact a TV station?"
"Yes, I did."
"What did Dan Leighton tell you?" ,
"He told me I could make a lot of money from a movie or a book...."
"Did you talk to reporter Wayne Satz at Channel 7?"
"Yes, I did. . . . Satz wanted to put me on TV...."

Cross-examination by Defense Attorney Daniel Davis:

"....Mr. Freeman, are you a rat?"
"They say I am in different places...."
"Mr. Freeman, how would anybody in the world know how many lies you told in the preliminary?"
"Only God."
"And you're a strong-arm robber, aren't you?"
"Depends. "
"Depends on what?"
"If I'm drunk enough."
"You were an informant in the Bailey case?"
"Yeah."
"And you lied in front of the jury."
"One thing, I believe."
"Did you consider that a serious lie?"
"I had my reasons."
"Those reasons you carried throughout your criminal career, right?"
"Right...."
"I'm going to list cases in which you committed perjury...Is there any case in which you didn't perjure yourself?"
"I don't know."
"Was there any case where the D.A. didn't know you were lying under oath?"
"I don't know."
"The D.A., Watts, used you as a witness after he knew you lied."
"Yes, he did."
"He wrote a letter for you after you told him you lied to him?"
"Yes, he did."
"In Bailey, did you get up and say he made a confession. . . like you did in this case?"
"Yeah."
"I'd like to talk about what you did with some sheep." [laughter]
Rubin: "Objection! Assumes facts not in evidence...."
"You said you had only five felony convictions. Isn't it the truth that you've had nine felony convictions?"
"Yeah, maybe. . . the way you calculate, yeah."
"Have you ever said that a man committed murder when he did not?"
"That goes back to Soledad. I didn't see him stab anybody...."
"You were afraid [that] being seen in newspapers and television [discussing the McMartin case] would endanger you, right?"
"Yes."
"Two days after you got out of county jail, whom did you call?"
"Channel 7 Eyewitness News."
"And that interview was broadcast on TV, right?"
"Yes. "
"You were under a court order not to have any interview with news media. "
"Yes."
"And you deliberately disobeyed that order."
"Yes. "
"And you had a relationship with Sgt. Dvorak and that's the reason you weren't afraid of disobeying an order from a judge?"
[Inaudible answer.]....
"You say you were concerned for the safety of your family and that was why you committed your perjuries. Would that be principally your mother and sister?"
"Yes, it was."
"And isn't it true that in 1983 you tied up your mother and your sister and robbed them and burglarized their home?..."