Direct examination by Hon. H. G. Bailey

Q: Your initials are R.R.?

A: Yes sir.

Q: Are you a practicing physician and surgeon at Scottsboro, Alabama?

A: Yes

Q: How long have you been practicing medicine and surgery there?

A: Since 1914

Q: Of what medical institute are you a graduate?

A: Vanderbilt.

Q: Do you know this laldy, Victoria Price?

A: Yes sir.

Q: Do you recall the day in March, 1931, it was said some negroes were taken off a train at Paint Rock and accused of raping Victoria Price?

A: Yes sir.

Q: Did you see Victoria Price that day?

A: Yes sir.

Q: Where did you see her the first time?

A: At the jail.

Q: At Scottsboro?

A: Yes sir.

Q: Did you make an examination of her person at that time?

A: At my office.

Q: Do you recall about what time of day that examination was made?

A: It was in the late afternoon around four o'clock the best I remember.

Q: Just state to the jury Doctor what her general condition was, whether there were any bruises or wounds or lacerations on her body?

A: Well she came over to the office in overalls, and we had those removed and we found some scratches on the back part of her wrist.

Q: Back of the wrist?

A: Left wrist, yes sir, small scratches, and she had some blue places in the small of the back.

Q: About where?

A: Low down in the soft part, right about the top of the hops, three or four bruises that ranged, oh, about like a joint of your thumb, small as a pecan, and then on the shoulders, between the shoulders another place about the smae size, a blue place, and we put themm on the table and an examination there showed no lacerations.

Q: You are speaking of Victoria Price?

A: Yes sir.

MR. LIEBOWITZ: No lacerations?

A: No sir, no lacerations; and the vaginal examination showed the male element microscopically, and we saw the fluid with they eye, that is the fluid the spermatozoa is carried in.

Q: From where did you obtain that fluid?

A: From the vagina.

Q: From Victoria Price?

A: Yes sir. We made a smear and transferred it to cover glasses annd examined it with a microscope, thespermatozoa is microscopic.

Q: What is the spermatozoa?

A: It is commonly called the male germ.

Q: Did you find many germs?

A: Yes, sir lots of them.

Q: From your examination of the genital organs of the woman Victoria Price made on that occasion would you say that she had recently had sexual intercourse?

A: Yes sir.

Q: Could you tell about how long before from your examination?

A: No sir, I couldn't tell in time of hours or minutes, I couldn't say.

Q: The spermatozoa you examined under the microscope were they alive or dead?

A: They were non-motile.

Q: Does that necessarily mean they were dead?

A: Well as a rule, yes.

Q: They were non-motile when you observed them under the microscope?

A: Yes sir.

Q: You say there were no lacerations or torn places?

A: Well there was a slight congestion of the vagina, but as a tear there wasn't any.

Q: Slight congestion of the vagina?

A: Yes sir.

Mr. Liebowitz: You say there were no lacerations?

A: No tear, but a congestion of the vagina.

COURT: Explain what you mean by congestion?

A: The mucosa of the vagina was redder than normal; the tissue are like those of your mouth, the same type, and the mucosa or tissue as you call it was red, redder than the normal.

Q: I will ask you, based upon your examination, the condition of the vagina was in as you found it, whether or not that was evidence of recent sexual intercourse?

MR. LIEBOWITZ: We object, the Doctor said he couldn't say how recent it was.

MR. BAILEY: He said from an examination of the spermatozoa he couldn't say, but not from the organs.

COURT: Of course there is no question about him being a physician.

COURT: Can you tell by an examination of the condition of the mucosa of the vagina anything about the recentness of the intercourse?

A: I couldn't swear to it other than it was congested.

COURT: You just know it was congested?

A: Yes sir.

MR. LIEBOWITZ: You couldn't swear how recent it was?

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From cross-examination by Mr. Liebowitz.

Q: The tablespoon full or two tablespoons full you found there, you can't tell when that was planted in her?

A: I couldn't say the exact time.

Q: In other words she might have had intercourse one night and didn't clean herself and than have intercourse a few hours later then the second deposit would be added to the first deposit.

A: Yes sir.

Q: That is of no particular significance is it?

A: This was a different vagina from the other.

Q: Wasn't any significance as to the time?

A: No sir.

Q: Still in both cases, the young girl and Victoria Price the germ was dead apparently.

A: Yes sir.

Q: Which is likely to prove isn't it, which is more likely to prove that the intercourse had taken place some hours ago; some hours had elapsed, some appreciable period of time?

A: No sir.

Q: It wouldn't indicate the intercourse was recent, the fact it was non-motile?

A: No sir.

Q: In other words the best you can say about the whole case is that both of these women showed they had had intercourse.

A: Yes sir.

Q: With how many men or when it took place nobody can say?

A: No.

Q: No doctor can say?

A: I think not, no sir.

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COURT: Did you observe the respiration at the time, whether they were breathing fast of slow -- Excitement causes a quickening of the breath?

A: Yes sir

COURT: Did you notice any unusual respiration?

A: I don't think so, their pulse they were normal.

COURT: In other words so far as you noticed their pulse was normal?

A: Practically normal, yes sir.

COURT: Any excitement or great strain would have a tendency to increase the pulse and res and respiration?

A: Yes sir, very much at the time, but after a time it will be quiet.

Q: Over what period, how long?

A: Different people, different times.

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COURT: Did you notice their pulse and respiration the next morning?

A: Yes sir, they were crying and nervous and hysterical.

COURT: Their breathing was faster the next morning.

A: Yes sir, it was faster.

COURT: And the pulse was?

A: Yes sir.